Matchday thread - Toon v Barca

[FOGGONTHETYNE]

just remembered willock replaced barnes on 91 that would have added 20 or 30secs, probably shot ours selves in the foot there, plus willock then fouled yamal theres more added time....shazbat!

[FOGGONTHETYNE]

There you go we've seen it tonight real/citeh,... 4 mins added time ref blows EXACTLY on 4 minutes, by making that sub on 91mins Eddie has effectively cost us that pelanty equaliser, christ Barnesy could have stuck out a few more minutes was there really any need?

[bodacious benny]

Blaming Howe for making a sub is genuinely one of the most mental comments ever made on here

[FOGGONTHETYNE]

Blaming Howe for making a sub is genuinely one of the most mental comments ever made on here

Yeah you say that, but ask him now if he regrets making a sub to try and run the clock down, and it backfired, what would his answer be?

There, not so mental now is it. Common sense (plus it was Lee ryder who suggested it not me )

[Cal]

Blaming Howe for making a sub is genuinely one of the most mental comments ever made on here

Yeah you say that, but ask him now if he regrets making a sub to try and run the clock down, and it backfired, what would his answer be?

There, not so mental now is it. Common sense (plus it was Lee ryder who suggested it not me )

Are you trying to suggest that by making a sub, there was suddenly more time with the ball in play? That the sub altered the timeline in such a way that conceding became inevitable? I don't necessarily think the goal was to run the clock down, but to get fresh legs in midfield - Willock swaps with Ramsey a few times and is often the man doing the pressing and closing down in those last minutes. He's the one to take down Yamal, where I'm not sure Barnes would have.

Joelinton is fouled at 89:14, Barnes is subbed off during this break in play, and the free-kick is taken at 90:33. Barcelona even take 40 seconds setting up their final free-kick of the game - the one that results in the counter where Gordon misplaces his pass and Barca's possession leads to the penalty. That's already a full minute with the ball out of play during the time added on.

[bodacious benny]

Blaming Howe for making a sub is genuinely one of the most mental comments ever made on here

Yeah you say that, but ask him now if he regrets making a sub to try and run the clock down, and it backfired, what would his answer be?

There, not so mental now is it. Common sense (plus it was Lee ryder who suggested it not me )

Lol now I can believe it tbf

I honestly think he'd make the same decision again. In almost every game where a team is leading by one goal (especially where they're the underdog) the manager will make a very late sub to break up play and try and run down the clock.

[FOGGONTHETYNE]

Yeah you say that, but ask him now if he regrets making a sub to try and run the clock down, and it backfired, what would his answer be?

There, not so mental now is it. Common sense (plus it was Lee ryder who suggested it not me )

Are you trying to suggest that by making a sub, there was suddenly more time with the ball in play? That the sub altered the timeline in such a way that conceding became inevitable? I don't necessarily think the goal was to run the clock down, but to get fresh legs in midfield - Willock swaps with Ramsey a few times and is often the man doing the pressing and closing down in those last minutes. He's the one to take down Yamal, where I'm not sure Barnes would have.

Joelinton is fouled at 89:14, Barnes is subbed off during this break in play, and the free-kick is taken at 90:33. Barcelona even take 40 seconds setting up their final free-kick of the game - the one that results in the counter where Gordon misplaces his pass and Barca's possession leads to the penalty. That's already a full minute with the ball out of play during the time added on.

Put it this way, if we are winning next week by 90, and there's like 4 minutes added time again... you watch if Eddie makes any needless subs in added time, I'm betting he won't.

So I rest my case.

[FOGGONTHETYNE]

Yeah you say that, but ask him now if he regrets making a sub to try and run the clock down, and it backfired, what would his answer be?

There, not so mental now is it. Common sense (plus it was Lee ryder who suggested it not me )

Lol now I can believe it tbf

I honestly think he'd make the same decision again. In almost every game where a team is leading by one goal (especially where they're the underdog) the manager will make a very late sub to break up play and try and run down the clock.

Of course they do, we all know that... but this time it shot us in the foot mate, as eddie rightly said the biggest game in the club's history and an excellent performance marred by a pelanty in added time of added time which could send us crashing out, blame who you like, but imo Eddie doesn't make that sub we're going to the nou camp with a 1-0 lead.

[FOGGONTHETYNE]

Lee (mental) Ryder, aka the ronnie gills chief sports writer

[bodacious benny]

Pretty sure the rule has always been there will be a minimum of X amount added time...

[Colly]

Correct. Plus time is added on for subs in normal time too, so should we stop making subs entirely to reduce the amount of time played or should we maybe just play all the way to the final whistle...

[FOGGONTHETYNE]

Correct. Plus time is added on for subs in normal time too, so should we stop making subs entirely to reduce the amount of time played or should we maybe just play all the way to the final whistle...

no still make subs but try not to make any "needless" subs after the 90 when the alloted amount of added time has already been decided., or that will mean there will be added time on added time.

[Remember Colo]

And in this alternate dimension where the substitution isn't made, that foul and PK is just conceded 30 seconds earlier.

[FOGGONTHETYNE]

And in this alternate dimension where the substitution isn't made, that foul and PK is just conceded 30 seconds earlier.

Possibly.... unfortunately I don't have TNT so watched it on prime which ofcourse we can't record into our planner and watch those last 4 minutes/6 minutes over and over again, but the sub which we do know was made after the board with the added time was flashed up, that would take at least 30 seconds, willock also fouled Yamal in added time which would take up more seconds, other than that I can't comment because I can't watch it again so simply don't know if there was more incidents in those 4 added minutes where the ref had to stop his watch.

[Colly]

This is getting silly. There are two ways to fix this. Either we prevent the ball from ever going out of play (including goals) so we don't have any injury time to worry about, or we just play until the game finishes. Whichever is easier.

[FOGGONTHETYNE]

This is getting silly. There are two ways to fix this. Either we prevent the ball from ever going out of play (including goals) so we don't have any injury time to worry about, or we just play until the game finishes. Whichever is easier.

It became more of an issue with this match because we wanted more goals to take to the nou camp to give ourselves the best chance to progress, and obviously Eddie knew we have more chance of scoring a second goal with barca not looking too threatening and the crowd right behind the team so we had to go for it, had we just tried to run the clock down by taking the ball into the corner instead of trying to get a second goal we may have gotten away with it, as it turned out simply trying to defend the one goal lead would possibly have been the best option

[Slim999]

There's a lot of being wise after the event here

You can't account for random events an whether an extra 5 secs here or there cost us .

My main gripe with taking off an attacker and replacing with a midfielder - is that it effectively allowed Barca to pile forward . If we'd kept the threat on the pitch till the end - they'd have been very wary about conceding a 2nd on the break .

I hate it when coaches try to defend leads

[FOGGONTHETYNE]

There's a lot of being wise after the event here

You can't account for random events an whether an extra 5 secs here or there cost us .

My main gripe with taking off an attacker and replacing with a midfielder - is that it effectively allowed Barca to pile forward . If we'd kept the threat on the pitch till the end - they'd have been very wary about conceding a 2nd on the break .

I hate it when coaches try to defend leads

OMG I hate us trying to defend a lead because it more than likely goes titts up, so I was all for trying to get a second goal which without any doubt would have been huge for us going forward,...... it's these decisions that coaches have to make and live with the consequences, obviously conceding late goals has been the nature of our season and that equaliser with the last kick of the game was a real boot in the face which is why there has been so many debates like this about those last 4 minutes of added time

[TJR]

In a strange way I actually think it might be better going over there at 1-1 instead of 1-0.

We've now got to score and win the game to go through so we have to have some sort of attacking threat.

At 1-0 up we'd have gone over there to try and draw 0-0, set up negatively and essentially park the bus. We're s**** at that whenever we do it and it would play into Barcas hands. We'd get annihilated and probably be 3 or 4 nil down inside 20 minutes.

Now thats it's 1-1 it forces our approach to be more positive and it has got to be more similar to the one at SJP and I think that'll give us a better chance of winning the game.

[bodacious benny]

In a strange way I actually think it might be better going over there at 1-1 instead of 1-0.

We've now got to score and win the game to go through so we have to have some sort of attacking threat.

At 1-0 up we'd have gone over there to try and draw 0-0, set up negatively and essentially park the bus. We're s**** at that whenever we do it and it would play into Barcas hands. We'd get annihilated and probably be 3 or 4 nil down inside 20 minutes.

Now thats it's 1-1 it forces our approach to be more positive and it has got to be more similar to the one at SJP and I think that'll give us a better chance of winning the game.

Good point! We are absolute dog s*** and trying to defend a lead so at least this scenario removes that as a tactic. I definitely think we'll score over there due to how they play, a lot will come down to how we defend and how much energy we have to press them for 90 minutes.

Tbh whether it was 1-0 or 1-1 at SJP I don't think it changes anything massively for the second leg in terms of our chances. Not sure why, but got a good feeling we can go there and cause a massive upset.